How to advise friend KCed? by Vietnamese girl?

[alan0338]

maybe ts can let ur guy fren listen to this oldie song 情难枕, and let him find out the meaning himself. sorry, i dont know how to put the mtv here, only know the lyrics, for me,its quite meaningful and also sort of a wake up call whenever i low morale.

如果一切靠缘份
何必痴心爱着一个人
最怕藕断丝连 难舍难分
多少黎明又黄昏
就算是不再流伤心泪
还有魂萦梦牵梦的深夜
那些欲走还留 一忘情深
都已无从悔恨
早知道爱会这样伤人
情会如此难枕
当初何必太认真
早明白梦里不能长久
相思不如回头
如今何必怨离分
除非是当作游戏一场
红尘任它凄凉
谁能断了这情份
除非把真心放在一旁
今生随缘聚散
无怨无悔有几人

[tikokeong]

Originally Posted by PEACELUVER

.BUT GENTLE REMINDER TO BROS/SIS WHO ARE PLAYING THIS KC GAME, YOU WIN SOME, U LOSE SOME! TAKE IT WITH GRACE, IF YOU LOSE, DUN BLAME ANYONE, JUST BLAME YOURSELF FOR NOT BEING SKILLFUL ENOUGH! PERIOD

Yup that is what i was thinking too. Just let it be might not know she might be the the only bread feeder to her family. These is too cruel la. KARMA

[Xgenre]

Originally Posted by PEACELUVER

that is really a damn bastard way sorry bro genre, not pin pointing at you, just see the method liao feel that its damn cruel.

Your comments are fair. What I've suggested is indeed bastard and you have every right to be agitated. It is indeed cruel. There is absolutely nothing wrong with voicing your comments.

Remember, karma works both ways. While it is cruel that the WL's ricebowl is shattered, it is also cruel to see the aftermath of a Local guy being KC till he's worthless. Divorced wife, family became bankrupt so kid's lifestyle have to change, company collapsed, employees retrenched, guy end up in depression. 50+ year old with no money, how will he ever retire? That's what i've seen in real life.

Sure he's a willing party but a lot of innocent parties (kids, wife) suffer too. Sometimes, I wonder. If we can turn back time to before all this KC begins, can we have done anything differently to protect the innocent parties in any way? I feel it's hard to say the WL is free from all blame in such situations. There is no perfect solution to this problem. I'm just suggesting some ideas to TS. My personal view is that whatever hard decisions we take in life, as long as I can sleep at night with a clear conscience, that's good enough for me.

[Oopsx2010]

Thanks bros for all your comments, advice and suggestions!

I'll do what I can to prevent W from falling further.. but the rest is up to him.

Will let you know the outcome of the meeting this week if it happens.

[Oopsx2010]

W's girl returned from Malaysia yesterday, since then W has checked her into a hotel and stays with her. He is totally kced by her.

Met up with the girl just now with some very experienced in cheonging friends and a Vietnamese girl who can translate for us.

It was really an experience for me, to witness how the girl able to manipulate W till he couldn't think straight. Obviously the girl is lying and not suitable for W... opinion from friends & translator.

Well, this is the limit that I can go for W. I declared RESCUE MISSON FAILED! The rest is up to him... just hope that he will still be sane when eventually he sees the true colour of the girl.

[skystone]

Bro Oopsx2010,dun worry so much..eventually ur friend will wake up and the ger will leave him after getting wad she wants..the ger is only with him for money,not gonna take his life..

[PEACELUVER]

Originally Posted by Oopsx2010

Well, this is the limit that I can go for W. I declared RESCUE MISSON FAILED! The rest is up to him... just hope that he will still be sane when eventually he sees the true colour of the girl.

lucky i dun have frens like u all. important timing then let go of victim and wait to see show.

[Xgenre]

Originally Posted by PEACELUVER

lucky i dun have frens like u all. important timing then let go of victim and wait to see show.

I don't think it's fair for you to say that. We don't know the exact details of the meeting so we won't know how hard TS really tried. But at least she tried, how many will even bother to arrange a meeting to try to save a friend?

You aren't lucky not to have friends like her. In fact, you are very unlucky not to have friends like her. Friends who will stand up for you and try to guide you back to the light.

[Oopsx2010]

Originally Posted by PEACELUVER

lucky i dun have frens like u all. important timing then let go of victim and wait to see show.

Hello Peaceluver, why not share with us what and how would you continue if you are in my shoe?

Originally Posted by Xgenre

I don't think it's fair for you to say that. We don't know the exact details of the meeting so we won't know how hard TS really tried. But at least she tried, how many will even bother to arrange a meeting to try to save a friend?

You aren't lucky not to have friends like her. In fact, you are very unlucky not to have friends like her. Friends who will stand up for you and try to guide you back to the light.

Hello Xgenre, I take it as a compliment and Thank You!

Actually I'm just doing my part as a friend. I treat W as a younger brother hoping he doesn't have to learn from the painful way. The meeting lasted almost 4 hrs and was a total diaster!

W was in denial mode and kept finding excuses for the girl's behaviour. One look at the girl you will know that she is not a newbie to this trade with thick make-up and tatoos...

The whole meeting started with her sudden disappearance while W was in shower giving excuse that she was meeting a guy friend who is willing to lend her $1K to pay off her agent. She will be back to meet me from 10:30pm instead of 9:30pm. W tried to call her numerous times but she was not picking up the phone. No choice, we asked the translator to sms her that W has checked out the hotel and left the luggage at the counter. Not long, she called back and started screaming over the phone at W...

We asked the translator to ask her where she was and we'll come over to fetch her. She kept changing her words about her whereabout. Together with W, translator and 2 friends, we drove from meeting place to hotel to the girl's working bar and then back to hotel and finally she appeared there... I almost exploded but managed to keep my cool.

The vicious cycle just kept repeating during the whole meeting with her telling lies and more lies but W is too blinded to see them... So in the end, I send them back to hotel and wish them good luck. I also told W that as a friend, we did what we can. I hope that he will be sane enough to walk away when he has to.

Briefly that was what happened during the meeting. I believe my friends and I had done more than enough for W.

[Gmail]

It's never easy, this type of stuff.

You can maybe try to entrap the girl by getting another guy to up her, but if W is paying for her living expenses, she would not be going to pubs unless she is greedy for more money.

Even hiring a pte eye to tail her and take pics may not work, she can just turn around and say that she needs money but do not want to ask from your friend so that's why she try to earn by herself when confronted by the pics.

Your friend has fallen into the " She is different from the rest " hole. She is different, as long as your friend can afford her, why don't you get your friend to play poor for a while and see what happens ?

[PEACELUVER]

Originally Posted by Xgenre

I don't think it's fair for you to say that. We don't know the exact details of the meeting so we won't know how hard TS really tried. But at least she tried, how many will even bother to arrange a meeting to try to save a friend?

You aren't lucky not to have friends like her. In fact, you are very unlucky not to have friends like her. Friends who will stand up for you and try to guide you back to the light.

nah, i dun need frenz like em, just like what u said, frenz will stand up and try to guide back the victim. but its obviously they are not! frenz dun try few times persuading and give up, then wait and pray tat the fren involved will walk out sane! its just a stupid excuse!

imo, frenz will still try to get him out even he is in self kc mode, a lot of ways to help him if they are sincere frenz cos a newbie like W is easy to help( a seasoned cheongster will be a big challenge), let him see more of the fls and he will understand wat is happening. thats wat i went thru as a newbie and i need to thank all my preverted frenz for their help.

Originally Posted by Oopsx2010

Hello Peaceluver, why not share with us what and how would you continue if you are in my shoe?

W was in denial mode and kept finding excuses for the girl's behaviour.

by posting my suggestion, u guys will think i am crazy, but tats wat my frenz did for me when i fell the 1st time. my group of frenz pool in a sum of money amt $ 1k, and found 2 guys(their frens) whom i dunno also. then tis 2 guys go to her pub like customers and eventually ask her to go to hotel offering her 1hundred and she said ok. then they became more perverted and offered her straight 1k to have a mmf and she was happy like fuck cos its still way above market price! but the 2 guys had a condition, they wanted to video the process and she eventually agreed, then i watched the video, and then well, time to wake up with a heart broken into pieces! until now, i respect all my frenz, 1k to save a fren in need is indeed worth.

lies will be uncovered one day, its just how u guys reveal the truth to him only.

[Oopsx2010]

Originally Posted by PEACELUVER

by posting my suggestion, u guys will think i am crazy, but tats wat my frenz did for me when i fell the 1st time. my group of frenz pool in a sum of money amt $ 1k, and found 2 guys(their frens) whom i dunno also. then tis 2 guys go to her pub like customers and eventually ask her to go to hotel offering her 1hundred and she said ok. then they became more perverted and offered her straight 1k to have a mmf and she was happy like fuck cos its still way above market price! but the 2 guys had a condition, they wanted to video the process and she eventually agreed, then i watched the video, and then well, time to wake up with a heart broken into pieces! until now, i respect all my frenz, 1k to save a fren in need is indeed worth.

lies will be uncovered one day, its just how u guys reveal the truth to him only.

Hello Peaceluver, Thank you for sharing with us. Indeed your friends had done you a great service by going all out to wake you up.

I do not know what was your situation then, but for W, he could not afford to meet the girl's financial needs 100% . Thus, he has no choice but to accept that she has to work in those pubs again to earn money. W is so obsessed with her that nothing else matters... What more can I do?

[PEACELUVER]

Originally Posted by Oopsx2010

I do not know what was your situation then, but for W, he could not afford to meet the girl's financial needs 100% . Thus, he has no choice but to accept that she has to work in those pubs again to earn money. W is so obsessed with her that nothing else matters... What more can I do?

well sis, i dun think anyone can fulfil a fls financial needs its a bottomless pit which can never be filled. he is a newbie, attack his fragile heart, sounds bad, but a good way. ways to doing that can varies from 1 way to 1million ways, the creativity lies on you guys. the feeling he have now is like 1st love, just that the partner is a fl, jealousy will get the better of him sooner or later, he come out numerous excuses for her, but will get tired eventually once his pride gets hurt. thats all i can comment, the rest of the thinking have to depends on u guys ok. sincerely wish ur young fren good luck.

[PEACELUVER]

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[peter69on]

Everytime your friend spend money on her.
You just ask your friend to update you.

Tell him you are not against him and her together.
But just let you know how much he actually spend on her.
He probably tell you he buy this and that for her. Its ok. Let him do the
talking and you just record down the amount.

sooner or later. Your friend will still update you again on their news. Maybe this time, he will say she need money for what blah blah...etc. at certain point of the time, you will notice a certain stress in the tone.

Sum up the money and update your friend. Starting from the first record to your last record. Your friend may wake up all of a sudden that he had actually spend so much on her.

dont underestimate the power of $$$